So, let’s reiterate: if we get rid of that Clean Elections system, we’ll have fewer extremists (who, of course, are on both sides) in the legislature. This is true on the Republican side because responsible business leaders will weigh in and become a moderate, pragmatic force in their primaries.
Okay.
By the way, did I tell you that the Arizona chapter of the National Federation of Independent Businesses has thrown in with Russell Pearce?
What’s a bit of intimidation of fellow legislators, consorting with racists, and fearmongering lies as long as he votes against tax increases and regulation?
Word to Republican business leaders: instead of quietly complaining to Democrats about the slopeheads and knuckledraggers that have taken over your party, how about you stop supporting them?
By the way, Jerry Lewis, a conservative who likely will have the same record on business issues as Pearce, will be announcing his intentions regarding the recall election today.
Farrell Quinlan, I love you dude, but what’s with this quote in Phoenix Business Journal?:
His recall is a shameful abuse of the election process and a wasteful distraction from the Legislature’s important work of helping Arizona’s private sector create jobs again.
“Shameful abuse”? Come on. It’s a right voters have under the Arizona Constitution.
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When all is said and done this recall, successful or not, will have created more jobs in Arizona than all of the bills passed out of the legislature the past 12 months.
I was in line at the supermarket the other day and I overheard someone speaking Spanish. I don’t know what they were saying, but I know they were talking about me, which I find very rude.
As far as I am concerned, there is no priority, be it for business, public safety, or hygene, more critical to the future of our Once Great Nation than doing something to reverse what is happening. When you cannot even go to the store to buy wonder bread and mayonaise without having to walk through an entire ayel of salsa, something is deeply wrong with what we have become. I applaud Russel Pearce and hope that national organizations like NFIB continue and people like Tom Tancredo double down on their efforts to stop radical outsiders like DeeDee Blaze and these other agitators so we can turn this tide and make it safe to be an American again.
Viva Pearce!
AZW88,
and that is the problem! You think that the government creates jobs! They don’t! A job is created by the demand for a product or service and someone decides how they can meet that demand.
The government creates “work”, not jobs. A job is equal for the continual need for work to be done, to meet a demand. With government stimulus work is created in order to repave a street, hold a recall election, etc… however, once the “work” is finished the person doing it no longer has a “job”. The free market, through the demand for a good or service, creates jobs, not the government.
That must have come as a shock to all those guys who “worked” in the CCC, the WPA, etc. back in the ’30′s and ’40′s. I heard all about them and I get to read their results in public buildings, roads, bridges, etc. which would not have been built without the government taking part. Rio Nuevo should teach us this.
Forgive us whocares, we must have forgotten about the record breaking successes of the Arizona economy in the last two years.
I should also take this time to thank the Republicans at the state house for all of those jobs bills and employment measures that they passed instead of focusing on things like tax cuts and immigration.
Yep. Pearce and his buddies have done a helluva job.
Of course AZ NFIB is on Pearce’s side. It is headed by none other than Farrell Quinlin
who absolutely adores Pearce.
Georgia,
Do you know of anyone who had a career working in Civilian Conservation Corps or the Works Progress Administration?? NO! These programs took money from private individuals and put people to work on projects that may or may not have been needed. If they had been needed and the government got the heck out of the way, private industry would have built them, because of a demand for them. But once all these wonderful projects were finished the people were out of work once again!
Like I said before, the government doesn’t create jobs, they create temporary work. Demand and the private sector create jobs…
My I suggest you either read or have someone read these books to you:
The Theory of Money and Credit
Nation, State, and Economy
Omnipotent Government: The Rise of Total State and Total War
Human Action: A Treatise on Economics
The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science
The Free Market and Its Enemies
and probably most important for you
Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction
Why do I even try? There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Georgia,
I ask the same question…
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: – Jeremiah – Chapter 5 – Verse 21
Your version and vision of government doesn’t work, has never worked, and never will work. The government does NOT create jobs!
I know many people who have had long, fulfilling careers in the military. It is certainly possible for a nation to rely on private soldiers (mercenaries) for its defense, but historically it has not worked well.
Sirocco,
I love it, liberals are now citing the US military as a successful way that Government can provide jobs… now that is funny. I would argue that the US military is probably the best case of artificial demand there is.
The US government has done a great job with the military past… Hey lets attack our own veterans (See Bonus Army). Our country was founded on a private military (not mercenaries), militias; however, the US government has stepped in, mainly through the National Firearms Act in 1934, and basically stopped the effectiveness of the private army or militia. The National Firearms Act was the direct outcome of another stupid action by the Federal Government – prohibition!
The only way to keep the US military at its current level is to wage as much war as possible, needed or not!
Bring the troops home!
Love it! Building roads and the upkeep is artificial! Providing kids with teachers undermines the economy! That’s awesome! And I’m sure the successful litigator would never, ever take on a public employee as a client, that money is no good to him!
Having an infrastructure system does nothing for the economy! That’s priceless. I’m not sure why the business community has been clamoring for a freeway for freaking ever, but hey, what’s a totally false GOP talking point. I’m sure they freeway they have in mind would be of the “build itself” variety. Having an educated work force is a “job killer,” right? Again, business leaders aren’t totally rips–t over the state’s education budget. Oh, wait. They are.
Just because the free market doesn’t build it, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. Seems obvious to a 10-year-old.
Have fun waiting for the private sector to build your cross-town freeway. Hasn’t happened yet. TIMMY!
Also, AW 88 was making a joke. That’s one. Two, the Arizona Legislature must have read all those books because they’ve done nothing but bend over backward for big business the last 30 years. And our unemployment numbers remain above the national average.
May I quote A Fish Called Wanda?
“Apes don’t read Nietzsche!”
“Yes, the do, Otto. They just don’t understand it.”
A much better argument for a conservative would be: The government should create as few jobs as possible because it should do it’s job efficiently and with the minimal impact on the larger economy.
But if you guys found out that the left thought the sun caused daylight, not only would you say we were wrong, you’d build a giant shield to block out the aforementioned sun. So, it’s not. Daylight is caused by magical pixies. Now, go on your anti-pixie jihad. Sorry, anti-MAGIC-pixie jihad.
TIMMY!!!,
So you are saying that the highways that Governor Gary Johnson had built in New Mexico really don’t exist?
Johnson: Economic growth occurs only if you are connected with a four-lane highway. A lot of New Mexico is rural, and building 500 miles of four-lane highway is going to make a huge economic difference to all those communities. Basically, now we have connected every town in New Mexico with 30,000 people.
from a recent Gary Johnson interview,
“To save money, we looked at private alternatives in building the roads. The highway project on Highway 44, which is Albuquerque to Farmington, is designed, financed, built, and guaranteed by a private company. This is completely unique. We are actually the first state in the United States to adopt an innovative financing program for Highway 44, by bonding federal revenues. As a result, other states are copying it, and Wall Street is embracing it.
Highway 44, which is Albuquerque to Farmington, is designed, financed, built, and guaranteed by a private company.
Nope, highway 44, doesn’t really exist does it…
WhoCares, the US hasn’t relied on militia, mercenaries or any form of “private army” as the main, or even major, element of it’s armed forces since long before 1934. You could perhaps claim they were integral as late as the War of 1812, but not after that.
Now, you can argue the number of troops we employ in the military is too large, and I would agree with you. However, I don’t think anyone would agree that the number should be lowered to 0 and we should rely on armed militia or private services to provide our national defense.
Meaning the government does create jobs, even jobs which fit your additional requirement of allowing for “careers” (If a private company opens, provides jobs for 10 people for a year, then folds would it have created jobs? Not by your definition apparently …). It’s certainly not the only example I could cite, but it’s the most obvious one.
Since your original claim was government “doesn’t create jobs” only “work” (I don’t agree with your distinction here, but it’s not relevant to the point), the existence and continued need for the military, which clearly provides “jobs” even by your definition, is sufficient to disprove your case.
Your last post basically proves my point. The only reason why the military is a government one is because we can not have a private one. It is not allowed. These jobs were not created by demand, but by proxy. The only time the government “creates” a job is when they take the ability of the private sector away to provide the same job and to fulfill a demand. There are many, many private military entities throughout the world, such as the now defunct Executive Outcomes, Lifeguard, Sandline, and Saracen.
The government does not create jobs!
Highway 44. A private project? If government got out of the way, it would just happen, huh?
Here we go again.
The project was financed by bonds from the State of New Mexico. Strike one.
And this little nugget from the contractor’s report on the project. “The New Mexico State Highway and Transportation Department (SHTD), and the Federal Highway Administration took the project from a concept to a reality in only 15 months.” No government involvement here. Strike two.
The design contractor went on to say: “Several unique features, including strong government support, and a first-of-its-kind contract for the transportation industry made this project highly visible.” Strike Three.
It goes on to say …
“The project was strongly supported and made the highest priority transportation improvement by the state government …”
Strike four.
You are making my point. Parts of this project were unique but private companies designing and building roads is SOP. Strike five.
When we build infrastructure, we are not creating GOVERNMENT jobs any more than when we order F-18s, we are creating GOVERNMENT jobs. Strike Six. We are creating private sector jobs. General Electric builds jet engines. Raytheon built the freaking science station at the South Pole. Jobs were created. Strike Seven.
This is a classic trick by WhoCares. He does it on TV all the time. He throws out obscure “facts,” as evidence to back his point. But dig a little deeper and he’s either wildly exaggerated the claim or he’s repeating internet gossip that’s wildly exaggerated.
New Mexico State Highway 44 would not have existed without the government and, as CPE Consultants can and will point out, private engineering firms building roads is nothing new. Strike eight.
Also, Highway 44 existed for years as a two-lane highway. This project simply expanded it. Strike nine.
Three up.
Three down.
P.S. You do know there’s something called “Google?”
No, WC, that’s not true. We went to a regular army even in times before you would claim militia’s “weren’t allowed”. Nations had recognized long before the Revolutionary War that it was no longer sufficient to rely purely on a citizen army or navy. That doesn’t mean there were not still roles for them, but any nation needed a standing, regular military force as well.
So, in fact, it’s the reverse – the only reason the country didn’t have a regular army of it’s own is because the British government didn’t allow it – I.e., the colonies didn’t have the needed authority.
One of the first acts of the newly created American government was to authorize the creation of a regular standing army (and later navy). Government created those jobs, and those jobs persist today.
To clarify, and to head off nitpicking I can see you making, when I refer to a “citizen army or navy”, I am talking about one based solely on militias called up in times of need. The importance of having a core of permanent regulars for a national army had been established long before the American Revolution took place.
It’s not a matter of militia not being “allowed”, it’s a matter of an army made purely of militia not being sufficiently effective.
If you want, I will give you the “military jobs” that the government “creates”, the do it so efficiently and the soldiers are treated with the greatest of respect…
Look how efficient they are… $900 for a $7 switch… Nope, the free market couldn’t do any better, and this is a perfect example of a job created by the federal government! Thanks making me see the light!
http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/30/u-s-contractor-in-iraq-charges-pentagon-900-for-7-control-switch-report-finds/
Heh – buying the materials for warfare is not the same as the job. You might note, it’s all those private companies you are promoting cheating the taxpayers.
And yeah, private companies cheating on military contracts is a centuries-old tradition. It dates back at least as far as the Roman era.
Having said that, not only have mercenaries not proven to be effective at national defense, they also have never shown to be cost-effective in the long run either.
Yes, and the federal government allowing them to do so…
What about all the rights that one has to give up to get these wonderful government jobs? You basically give up most of rights when you join the military… great job!
Just ask my dad about his “career” while in Vietnam…
and what other “jobs” are you forced to apply for at the age of 18 and the forced to report to work for when someone else sees fit?
This is your example of a government job?
Draft is not regulars. Don’t conflate the two.
One gives up rights as part of the employment contract in any job. You don’t, for example, typically get the “right” to scream at or bad mouth your boss in a private company.
You are, by the way, now clearly guilty of what you accuse (correctly, IMO) TV of doing in the other thread – changing the terms of the debate. Your original claim was government never creates job. That’s provably a false statement, and you have conceded the point.
Lost a sentence there … second paragraph should have been:
One gives up rights as part of the employment contract in any job. You don’t, for example, typically get the “right” to scream at or bad mouth your boss in a private company. Not while keeping your job at least.
Finally, your “Yes, and the federal government allowing them to do so…” is blaming the victim of the crime. If you should ever be so unfortunate as to be mugged or robbed, please remember you allowed it to happen.
It’s private companies who are the criminals in such cases, and they are fined or dropped when discovered. If this is the type of shit they try in the face of somewhat regulated capitalism, we likely can’t properly imagine what behavior would occur if your (apparent) dream of fully unregulated capitalism were to be enacted.
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