Rum, Romanism and Rebellion

7 Comments

• Pope Tedski
  May 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am

  and when did Democrats become “pro-mass murder”? I don’t recall it on Obama’s website.

• Stephen
  May 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am

  Answer for Pope Tedski:

  We did when Republicans became “pro-rape”, “pro-incest” & “anti-mother” by refusing to allow any exclusions for rape, incest, & health.
  When you encouraged unwanted pregnancy by eliminating sex education & restricting contraception access.
  When you railed against “welfare moms”, “unwed mothers” & cut every social program to help pregnant women carry their children to term and beyond.
  When you allowed the medical costs of pregnancy to get so high that it’s unaffordable to people with low incomes.

  When you abandoned any pursuit to reduce abortions because you think only flipping Roe v. Wade will do anything and abandon any effort to save any pregnancies in the meantime because they get to be martyrs for your cause.

  That’s why the people who are “pro-life” in the Democratic party are FOR REAL pro-life, and not just a bunch of fakers with bumper stickers.

  The ones who talk to Planned Parenthood to try to reduce abortions. The ones who try to connect women willing to carry unwanted pregnancies to term with people willing to adopt. The ones who put together programs to pay medical expenses & stipends for lost wages to women who couldn’t afford a pregnancy.

  They’re also the ones who are against the state bombing civilians in other countries & against the state killing prisoners. The ones for universal health coverage, reduced gun violence & the ones against torture.

  Pro-life my ass…

• Donna
  May 15th, 2009 at 10:48 am

  Very eloquent, Stephen, thank you.

  Hey Pope, riddle me this, why do you righties only care about life from conception to birth?

• Tom Prezelski
  May 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

  I am not sure when support for waterboarding became a central principle of the GOP. I think it must have happened sometime after the administration of Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican who happened to be a veteran of one of the greatest feats of arms in American military history. Of waterboarding, which was then called the “water cure,” TR wrote:

  “The president desires to know in the fullest and most circumstantial manner all the facts, … for the very reason that the president intends to back up the Army in the heartiest fashion in every lawful and legitimate method of doing its work; he also intends to see that the most vigorous care is exercised to detect and prevent any cruelty or brutality and that men who are guilty thereof are punished. Great as the provocation has been in dealing with foes who habitually resort to treachery, murder and torture against our men, nothing can justify or will be held to justify the use of torture or inhuman conduct of any kind on the part of the American Army.”

  The question here, as stated by a Republican President 100 years ago, is whether we are better than our enemies simply by virtue of who we are or because of what we do.

• Pope Tedski
  May 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

  Stephen, my ADD kicked in & I couldn’t waste my short attention span on your words…i’m sure they’re beautiful.

  Donna, I do care. That’s why I’d be all for waterboarding a terrorist that may save the lives of even more innocents.

  Tom P. I love you man. We are better than they are – that’s why we don’t have rape rooms, or drill their craniams or throw them into shredders.

  You are “pro-mass murder” if you’d rather give them a towel and tell ‘em to not panic.

• Tom Prezelski
  May 15th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

  Well, “Pope,” I am glad that you draw the line somewhere. However, if we did “have rape rooms, or drill their craniams (sic) or throw them into shredders,” the Former Vice President and his ilk would be making the same argument about why this behavior is justified, provided that we are the ones doing it.

  As for “rape rooms,” don’t you think that we came dangerously close to that concept at Abu Grahib?

• Danny Mazza
  May 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

  Our standard bearer last year was against torture, including water-boarding, in all forms.