Comments on: Recriminations http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/ "We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them!" - William Jennings Bryan Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:57:55 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dana http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/comment-page-1/#comment-15641 Dana Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:15:32 +0000 http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/#comment-15641 Michael, You are spot on with ballot initatives. Labor ran the minimum wage in 2006 and candidates attached themselves to them. This year there were attempts to get populist issues on the ballot but the SOS soon to be Gov. picked through all the signatures and kicked them off. It is expensive to run a ballot initative a total of about 3 million minimum. Michael,
You are spot on with ballot initatives. Labor ran the minimum wage in 2006 and candidates attached themselves to them. This year there were attempts to get populist issues on the ballot but the SOS soon to be Gov. picked through all the signatures and kicked them off. It is expensive to run a ballot initative a total of about 3 million minimum.

]]> By: Paul Cunningham http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/comment-page-1/#comment-15636 Paul Cunningham Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:31:00 +0000 http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/#comment-15636 A few observations: #1 ---base salaries, we put that stupid initiative on the ballot every year, and every year it gets shot down. There is a reason for that....we only have the 22nd lowest or 28th highest paid legislature in the union.....where do we go wrong? Our per diem, maxes at 60 dollars, which ranks 47th, moreover, our session has not met for the 120 day standard in like 15 years, those guys haven't finished by May 1st for a very very long time.....As it stands AZ legislators typically make what amounts to under $200 per actual legislative day in session. That puts us at the bottom compared to other states. The increase needs to be at the per diem, going to about 100 a session day for 120 days and 50 for each day after 120; with an additional 35 dollars all days for non Maricopa County Residents...... If the session stayed at 120 days, like it is designed to, we would be about 20th....maxing at 335 a day. That is a competitve wage. 2. What happened down ballot? Let's not all start shoveling blame like it is going out of style, we screwed up, get over it, let's form a legislative committee and figure out where gains can be made, and seats taken back. Also, while the radical right are licking their chops, lets caucus with the moderates and find a "dirty dozen" that can make practical decisions. At this point, Paton, Atenori, Vic "the wild thing" Williams, are Pima County People, are they willing to stand up for Southern Arizona over partisan politics? time will tell. 3. As most may not know, I spent what little time and resources I had this past race in the TUSD override race. TUSD has continually had one hand tied behind its back over the years, and is now having trouble competing with Charter schools. Let me say, after the last round of Schools ratings, TUSD has made great strides at the High School level, and has an opportunity to emerge as a model school district in the next few years. Please consider supporting the override next time it comes out.....we got beat by over 22000 votes in ;04 and that number was reduced to around 1900 this campaign season...... 4. As for our legislature, if they start doing wacko things, the happy hunting, we face them on street corners, restaurants and casual conversations, we can face them in the blogosphere, we can face them at town halls and in email blitzes and phone banks, After Jan Brewer takes office, she will probably do something we may not appreciate, lets inadate her with e-mails until the server crashes....it is time we stand up to the bullies and not allow them kick us around. A few observations:
#1 —base salaries, we put that stupid initiative on the ballot every year, and every year it gets shot down. There is a reason for that….we only have the 22nd lowest or 28th highest paid legislature in the union…..where do we go wrong? Our per diem, maxes at 60 dollars, which ranks 47th, moreover, our session has not met for the 120 day standard in like 15 years, those guys haven’t finished by May 1st for a very very long time…..As it stands AZ legislators typically make what amounts to under $200 per actual legislative day in session. That puts us at the bottom compared to other states. The increase needs to be at the per diem, going to about 100 a session day for 120 days and 50 for each day after 120; with an additional 35 dollars all days for non Maricopa County Residents…… If the session stayed at 120 days, like it is designed to, we would be about 20th….maxing at 335 a day. That is a competitve wage.
2. What happened down ballot? Let’s not all start shoveling blame like it is going out of style, we screwed up, get over it, let’s form a legislative committee and figure out where gains can be made, and seats taken back. Also, while the radical right are licking their chops, lets caucus with the moderates and find a “dirty dozen” that can make practical decisions. At this point, Paton, Atenori, Vic “the wild thing” Williams, are Pima County People, are they willing to stand up for Southern Arizona over partisan politics? time will tell.
3. As most may not know, I spent what little time and resources I had this past race in the TUSD override race. TUSD has continually had one hand tied behind its back over the years, and is now having trouble competing with Charter schools. Let me say, after the last round of Schools ratings, TUSD has made great strides at the High School level, and has an opportunity to emerge as a model school district in the next few years. Please consider supporting the override next time it comes out…..we got beat by over 22000 votes in ;04 and that number was reduced to around 1900 this campaign season……
4. As for our legislature, if they start doing wacko things, the happy hunting, we face them on street corners, restaurants and casual conversations, we can face them in the blogosphere, we can face them at town halls and in email blitzes and phone banks, After Jan Brewer takes office, she will probably do something we may not appreciate, lets inadate her with e-mails until the server crashes….it is time we stand up to the bullies and not allow them kick us around.

]]> By: Gretchen http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/comment-page-1/#comment-15633 Gretchen Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:46:53 +0000 http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/#comment-15633 For anyone who voted against an increase in salary for state legislators--That pitiful $24,000/year salary for a job which is actually full-time means that only retirees, the well-off, or those with spouses with good jobs can afford to run. However, even with the crappy salary, the LD 26 DEMs had three excellent candidates. For anyone who voted against an increase in salary for state legislators–That pitiful $24,000/year salary for a job which is actually full-time means that only retirees, the well-off, or those with spouses with good jobs can afford to run. However, even with the crappy salary, the LD 26 DEMs had three excellent candidates.

]]> By: kralmajales http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/comment-page-1/#comment-15630 kralmajales Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:16:41 +0000 http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/#comment-15630 Michael, Not sure that the ballot initiative issue was what mattered here, although I agree with you in principal. Turnout was already quite quite high. Michael,

Not sure that the ballot initiative issue was what mattered here, although I agree with you in principal. Turnout was already quite quite high.

]]> By: kralmajales http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/comment-page-1/#comment-15629 kralmajales Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:15:21 +0000 http://www.rumromanismrebellion.net/2008/11/22/recriminations/#comment-15629 My thought is this...it is a massive opportunity squandered and I agree with Ted. I am not sure the message on the legislature got out at all. Why was there nothing whatsoever pinning the massive deficit here to GOP control of the legislature? I also wonder about the quality of candidates and even those that were appointed to run later. Like, find someone well known...and find someone that might "fit" the district. Last, was the party simply outworked? I have to think it is poor strategy or poor candidate recruitment. I dont know that anything else makes any real sense. My thought is this…it is a massive opportunity squandered and I agree with Ted. I am not sure the message on the legislature got out at all. Why was there nothing whatsoever pinning the massive deficit here to GOP control of the legislature? I also wonder about the quality of candidates and even those that were appointed to run later. Like, find someone well known…and find someone that might “fit” the district. Last, was the party simply outworked?

I have to think it is poor strategy or poor candidate recruitment. I dont know that anything else makes any real sense.

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