Tuesday, August 12th, 2008...6:33 pm
He’s Not Dead Unless I Say He’s Dead
Some folks are crowing about the fact that the TIME initiative got bounced from the ballot, but evidently this isn’t quite a fait accompli.
Here is a press release that the TIME folks sent out after the Secretary of State announced that the initiative wouldn’t qualify:
TIME Initiative Takes Steps to Qualify for November’s Ballot
Thousands of Arizonans Not Properly Counted by Secretary of State and Maricopa CountyPhoenix, AZ –The TIME Initiative today announced that it will pursue its legal options to reinstate petition signatures incorrectly counted as invalid by the Secretary of State and Maricopa County. Last week alone, the TIME campaign identified thousands of signatures erroneously counted as invalid by the Secretary of State.
“Today’s statement by Secretary [Jan] Brewer is merely part of the process,” said David Martin, Co-Chair of the TIME Initiative Campaign. “Our campaign is preparing our legal action to fight for the thousands of Arizona citizens whose voices were inappropriately stifled by the process this year. Based on the evidence of inaccurate counting we have seen, we fully expect to be on the ballot in November.”
The TIME Campaign has been culling through petitions that the Secretary of State’s office and Maricopa County Recorder’s Office have deemed invalid. The TIME Campaign plans to make a legal argument as to why a large number of those petition signatures should be counted as valid and is confident that after further petition signature examination by the courts, the TIME Initiative will be on the ballot.
“The TIME Initiative Campaign has several options to pursue to ensure we are on the ballot in November,” said Marty Shultz, Treasurer of the TIME Initiative Campaign. “The bottom line is that this process is still ongoing and it will be several days before all is said and done.”
I got a call from a supporter of TIME today that alleged that in addition to not counting valid signatures, the initial sample of signatures was cherry picked, making it look like there would not be enough signatures even before the counting was done. He also alleged that this has more to do with Brewer’s plans to run for office in 2010 than any actual problem with the petitions.
Looks like we are in for an interesting couple of weeks.
12 Comments
August 12th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
or perhaps they shouldn’t of pissed their money away by hiring Andrew Chavez and Petition Partners…
I love how they still hire him after the Democratic party fires him for instructing his petition gatherers to tell illegal and legal immigrants to register to vote as Petition Partners was hired by the dems to register democrats.
Now of course any basic understanding of immigration law knows that a legal or illegal immigrant who register to vote even though the registration form says not to will have committed a felony and under just about every single immigration reform package, felons would not be allowed into the country or to become citizens.
Immigration activists found out about this and complained to the party and after they found out that 4 of the 5 gatherers were working for Petition Partners- they were summarily fired. 3 of those 4 said it was in their training that both illegal immigrants and non-resident legal aliens could in fact register and if they did , it would help them gain citizenship.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
The comments about Petition Partners are, to be blunt, a crock.
There was NEVER any factual basis for any of those allegations.
As to the current issue about petition validity, there are very serious concerns being looked at over how both the Sec of State and Maricopa Co Recorder have handled matters.
This is, frankly, more an issue of whether votersare being disenfranchised than whether a particular initiative makes it on to the ballot.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Wasn’t petition partners the ones collecting for the Nader petitions in 2004 as well? And didn’t they do the anti- clean election ones?
Geez, with “friends” like that- who needs enemies!?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
lol. maybe you should make a I-Film about it.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
I am not sure what you three are talking about but whoever is responsible for this mess up should be fired now. If I was the Governor, I would cast whoever was responsible for collecting the signatures from the party for being such a ”
miserable failure” to quote Dick Gephardt.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:06 am
It seems to me that maybe they shouldn’t have been preparing for a lawsuit but rather collecting valid signatures.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:22 am
While I understand you defending a business you have a vested interest in, what about the 18,000 disenfranchised petition signers that Marty Schultz, other members of the committee, and consultants Thomas Ziemba and David Waid turned down for politically petty reasons, Bob?
I assume that was it was OK to disenfranchise those voters, right?
There was clearly a pattern of poor decision making by the consultants and the committee. Had they taken those signatures, TIME would be on the ballot.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Brewer is one nasty bitch—ugh, no amount of plastic surgery can hide the ugly of who she really is inside.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Well, from his other posts, Groosfeld seems to be the only one actually backing up petition partners with valid evidence.
This photo set shows many of the “invalid” petitions that have been thrown out. Choose for yourself whether you think the blame should be placed on Ziemba, Waid, and petition partners.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:09 am
http://gallery.me.com/bgrossfeld#100024
August 13th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
And I am sure if Tedski did an IP run on FactCheckerAZ, it would be from Scottsdale and from the same block where Media Guys is located.
As far as what Tom-AZ brought up- I was one of the people who caught those petition passers telling illegal aliens to register. I turned the information over the the Maricopa Sheriff’s Office and the Democrats. The Democrats were very forthright and after some internal investigation- I was told by Maria Weeg, the state ED, that the firm that was handling that contract was let go. Since I was the one that questioned the passer, and he had Andrew’s card on him and said he was from petition partners then one can make a reasonable judgement that they were the ones fired. On the topic that the Tedski brought up: I don’t think for a second that Brewer is out to get TIME and that Karen Osborne helped her, but the fact that TIME threw away all those signatures and paid a notoriously horrible firm like petition partners; then I think the criticism is valid.
By the way Bob, one of my friend’s, Rhett Wilson is still looking for that winning campaign you promised him. You have been weighed, measured and found wanting.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
just mabe we should look at the track record of Bob’s petition company Petition Partners.
In Tempe they failed to gather 20,000 good signatures-see the following:
http://no-smoking.org/june03/06-25-03-6.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_200301/ai_n21740786
http://www.lcltfb.org/tobacco/tdn/TND-030111.html#news113667
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/comsite5/bin/aml2006_library_auth_tt.pl?page=library&next_step=2&item_id=0286-7951514&ipaddress=&country_code=US&zip=&x=69&y=9
If they could not gather 20,000 good signatures what makes Bob think he can do 300,000 good ones.
If you want to see how pathetic andrew chavez’s running of the petition went dig further by looking at the court proceedings of the case-look in Maricopa County and bring up Leland Fairbanks and John Irvine.
It was the same problems back then-notary, felons circulating the petition, petition circulators using bogus addresses-turning in forgeries.
Then there was a voter registration drive going on-we Democrats could have taken over
http://sonoranalliance.com/?cat=46
Now we could have had a great idea on the ballot but Bob’s greed got the best of him-
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO LEARN???????
Is Bob paying off people to get the work?????
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