Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006...6:40 pm
“Anti-Gun” Defined as “Responsible Gun Owner”
Over as Sonoran Alliance, they have declared Gabrielle Giffords “Anti-Gun.”
That’s kind of funny, since she is an actual gun owner. She owns a Glock for personal protection, and has long been an advocate for responsible gun ownership.
Sonoran Alliance points to the poor NRA rating that she recieved. That rating includes scatter-brained proposals such as the “guns in bars” bill forwarded by Randy Graf. For many Arizonans, bills such as this represent the extremism of the legislature and is a big part of the reason why Graf’s numbers are wallowing in the 30s.
By the way, when my brother (owner of a Brown Bess Musket, of all things) voted against that particular bill, he recieved letters and e-mails of support from small business owners, you know, the Republcan base.
My father has a larger arsenal than some small Central American nations. He was an NRA member for years. He’s a hunter, and liked the insurance that members get. Then he started reading the magazine. I remember him telling my mom and I, “Have you seen what these guys want? They want people to have guns they don’t even let the army have.” A bit of an exageration to be sure, and my dad didn’t say it that delicately. Anyhow, he let his membership lapse soon afterward.
NB - Dad served several tours in Vietnam. Among his duties was rescuing downed pilots. Maybe something about having assault rifles fired at you makes you less enamored with them. One probably doesn’t get that same experience walking fairways.
10 Comments
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:54 pm
Ted,
Please tell me the firearm that the NRA wants civilians to have but that “they don’t even let the army have?” I would really like to know the answer to that one.
I am glad Gabby owns a Glock but she seems to think that they belong locked up at home where they will do no good to a victim of crime. On 4-12-05 she was one of only six senators to vote against HB2409 on concealed carry. Twenty-four other senators voted for the bill. Gabby is in pretty rare company on that vote.
There was never a movement to allow firearms in bars. There have been several attempts to allow concealed carry license holders to take their firearm into a restaurant that happens to serve alcohol if they are not going to drink. That sounds very reasonable to me.
October 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 pm
This whole thing smells like a DLC seminar. Buy a gun so if anyone challenges you about your anti-gun vote you can say you are a gun owner. Then attack the NRA instead of discussing the particular bill that you voted on.
I have to give Gabby credit. She listened very well. She is smooth, much smother than Graf. She may win because of it but it won’t change her extreme, liberal position on most issues. Can anyone say Jim McNulty?
October 4th, 2006 at 12:07 am
Kid-
Good point on my Dad’s quote…he tends to hyperbole…I’ll fix it so that is more clear.
HB 2409 dealt with reciprocity agreements with other states’ concealed weapons statutes. I can hardly see how a vote against this was a vote against concealed carry. The concealed carry statute was passed when Giffords was too young to run for legislature, hard for her to have voted against it.
October 4th, 2006 at 6:40 am
PK,
Regardless of what the laws intent was, one of the effects (the way it was written) was owners may have carried them into bars.
Intended consequence or not, that alone made it worth voting against the bill.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:14 am
Actually, it is not a Brown Bress Musket, it is a Charleville 1766 Light Infantry Fusil.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:36 am
sirocco,
That is kind of like saying the intent of welfare was to help people not to destroy the family unit and increase out-of-wedlock birth rates.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:40 am
Ted,
Regarding HB 2409 why was she only one of six senators to vote against it? If she opposes reciprocity sounds like she wants people to be defenseless victims of crime when they travel to another state. Such compassion.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:41 am
Should Gabriel Gifford want to proffer her position on second amendment rights, a fine start would be a post her position on her web site. A search of her site for “second amendment” returns no hits and a search for “gun” returned rather little to go on. All parties encourage responsible gun ownership, that is not the issue. The issue at hand is “What will candidate Giffords if elected do to prevent increased regulation of responsible gun ownership in the face of multiple layers of government that are neutral and at times hostile to private responsible ownership?”
October 4th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
thats bullcrap Phx Kid. Im a NRA member and gun owner but that bill would have allowed guns into bars period. maybe not in Tucson or El Sur Arizona but most bars up here in Tempe have restaurant licenses, in fact almost all of them, even the infamous “Dos Gingos” has a restaurant license but in reality its a bar but 80% of their “profits” come from food. Accounting gimics sure, but it doesnt take away that they are bars and that bill would have allowed them in. I’m all for guns guns guns, but not in bars with drunk people and no ability to keep a drunk idiot from shooting someone, other than arming the bouncers.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Tom,
It’s not bull****. There was never a movement to let people enter a bar and drink while carrying.
The intent all along was to allow sober citizens eating in a restaurant to carry even if the establishment happened to serve alcohol. There was a problem with early versions of the bill because a liquor license in Arizona makes little or no distinction between a bar and restaurant. Later versions sought to address this but the intent was never to let people drink in bars while armed. Your claim is absurd.
The fact that your side keeps bringing that up tells me you do not want to discuss Gabby’s hostile voting record toward the right to keep and bear arms.
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