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Howard Dean Endorses…?
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Howard Dean last night at a rally at the Temple of Music and Art:
And CD 8 will elect a Democratic congresswoman…I mean, congressperson…
Dean is predicting a primary win for Francine Schacter, definitely.
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June 30th, 2006 at 7:40 am
Howard Dean is a Dumbass.
June 30th, 2006 at 8:39 am
I watched the video of Gabby and Patty in Wilcox. Patty states that clean election financing “is the most important issue.” She is off her rocker. I sure home if Patty wins the primary and that she runs on Clean Elections and her other great idea about colonizing Mars before the Chinese.
Either Graf or Hellon could beat her and her wacky ideas and even Huffman might have a chance.
June 30th, 2006 at 8:57 am
I guess his foot has yet to be removed from his mouth.
June 30th, 2006 at 10:02 am
PHX Kid, obviously you have a hearing disorder!
Patty said that nothing good is going to be accomplished in Congress until we have clean elections because special interest lobbies keep blocking programs like universal healthcare.
Why do you think we don’t yet have a hydrogen car? It’s because the oil lobby has blocked it.
Patty is spot-on on this one. We will never get through our essential major initiatives until we have federal clean elections because the special interests keep blocking them. Once we get the influence of their money out of Congress, we’ll finally have a shot at making some real progressive reforms.
As for the Mars stuff… you’re taking that completely out of context. Patty was expressing her support for the University of Arizona’s Mars research program.
Did you know that the U of A gets more money from NASA than all the other universities in the country combined?? They must be doing something right– so if you have a problem with this one, maybe you should just take it up with the U of A research faculty.
June 30th, 2006 at 10:07 am
The DNC, AzDP and the PCDP is losing all financial support from the Tuttle family after last night’s Dean “faux pas”.
Only individual candidates will get my money from now on. If they are independents and I agree with them, then they will get the cash.
“F” this incestuous Democratic Party organization.
June 30th, 2006 at 10:10 am
Here is the Video link in case anyone wants to see Gabby called out by Patty on her arrogant lies of supporting clean elections. Gabby Talks the Talk but when it’s time to take action - she can’t walk the walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL2hDffM7TM
Hopefully Gabby will actually live up to her challenge!
June 30th, 2006 at 11:22 am
Really? Saying you support clean elections when you actually vote in legislature in support of clean elections is an “arrogant lie”?
I’m feeling very much as if I have been yanked through the looking glass.
June 30th, 2006 at 12:19 pm
Sirocco, your feelings are either a drug reaction, or a concrete hallucination.
You absolutely have NOT been yanked through a looking glass.
If you had been yanked, all of the past week would have been good news for Gabby. Instead everyone has debated polls, electability, clean elections, the meaning of absolute, Lauren Harmon, and sometimes Gabby’s endorsement rollouts.
All good news, depending on how you spin it.
June 30th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Well, since I don’t use drugs, can’t be the former …
No, no, I definitely think it’s cd8dem’s comment which has me feeling like up is down and down is up.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
‘zona dem
I may have some disorders but hearing is not one of them. Just in case I missed something I listened to the tape 5 times. Patty said of clean elections and publicly financed congressional campaigns “this is the most important issue being talked about today.” She said not me. Maybe you are the one with disorder.
About Mars, I was sitting near the front of the room at the Marana Chamber of Commerce candidate forum. Again Patty said it not me. She was pretty clear, she wanted to fund a mission to Mars before the Chinese get there.
I am sorry if you don’t like what I am writing but the facts are the facts. I do read and understand English well enough to know that Patty is saying some pretty kooky stuff. I hope that she is the nominee and just keeps talking like she is now.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
PHX Kid, you’ve given yourself away as either a Republican or a right-leaning independent.
You seem to think Patty is so crazy, and yet you “hope she is the nominee and just keeps talking liks she is now.”
So… you hope the Dems nominate someone crazy who can’t win the seat, is what I’m getting out of this.
That being the case, WHY ARE WE EVEN LISTENING TO YOU? Oh, wait, we’re not. You’re irrelevant, and taking the typical right-wing tack of using quotations out of context to make good candidates look unhinged.
Go home to Phoenix, PHX kid.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
‘zona dem, you are close. I am a far right-leaning Republican. I never said Patty was crazy. It’s just that her shtick for winning the primary will be a flop in the general. I don’t need to make Patty look unhinged, she does that herself. How many times did she look at that piece of paper when she was attacking Gabby. Spit it out woman and quit checking your notes and correcting yourself.
Only you can answer the question of why you are even listening to me. My guess is because I have a valid point and it bothers you.
I have thought of going home to Phoenix but for now I find living in Northwest Tucson quite nice. Lots of other right-wingers up here.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Patty was looking at her notes during that? No one has coached her?
Not good. Glancing at notes before you speak is fine, but not DURING.
Howard Dean’s saying Congresswoman may have been generic terminology and not a slip of any kind.
I noticed we get all riled up when the word “woman” is used as a general reference for men but no one complains about “congressman, businessman, etc.” when referring to women. (admittedly, my girlfriend noticed that and I thought she had a good point)
Sexism at play?
June 30th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
‘zona dem,
Since you are new here, you should know that phx kid is well known on this blog for being the resident Republican. He didn’t give anything away on this thread. He’s been here and posting for the GOP for quite some time.
If you’re so upset by what he says, just don’t read it. Anytime you see his name in underlined blue, skip to the next comment. It’s not hard to do.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
Fedup,
The whole thing, I think, was scripted, but beautifully. The “Gabby…Gabby…Gabby” harkens back to one of Reagan’s debates. “There he goes again…”
On top of that a new poll comes out by Weiss recently. One person that got that poll said that her campaign was using it also to test issues…like say…Clean elections. Then the play on words.
Then blogs by her and blogs by her bloggers and circulation of tapes.
Fun stuff…
Roger
June 30th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
fedup, I could be wrong but it seemed to me like Patty was only reading off the paper when she was reading off Gabby’s quotation, to make sure she got it right. I watched the video clip again, and during the rest of her response she doesn’t look at the paper at all.
June 30th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
I heard Patty talk about the Mars bases too. She has no idea what she’s saying about this. She also made some statement that was way out in left field about satellites need to start orbiting the moon because they can be attacked by the Chinese while in Earth orbit!
I guess you might say she is really pushing for loony programs.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:07 pm
Show us the quotes. Your first person accounts have little credibility with the readers.
If you say Patty said something and you heard it, then you should back it up. Where is the recording and the transcript?
Where are the facts?
June 30th, 2006 at 4:22 pm
emersome don’t you know how it works? You are not supposed to say anything bad about Patty. It might upset ‘zona dem and boredinaz.
boredinaz I am glad to see that you read for content and are not bias against the messenger. If you actually read my comments I am not posting for the GOP at all. It’s just my personal view on the world like the rest of you.
‘zona dem about when she put the paper down is when Patty starts to stumble over the dates. The point is that Gabby has excellent presentation and would run circles around a misanthrope like Huffman.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:29 pm
“I guess you might say she is really pushing for loony programs.”
You mean like Latas’loony polls?
June 30th, 2006 at 4:31 pm
“The point is that Gabby has excellent presentation and would run circles around a misanthrope like Huffman.”
That quote is almost as good as the Latas poll numbers.
Gabby excellent presentation skills? Have you ever heard her? By far the worst presentation skills of the lot. Francine has better presence and she has the enthusiasm of a slug.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
I have seen Gabby in person at a lunchtime forum in Marana and seen the tape from Wilcox. She does not hesitate or miss a beat. I think that will count for something in November. But I could be wrong.
I am pretty sure that I am correct that come November the hot issue for winning the race will NOT be clean elections.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Taking a break from bashing Democratic candidates, does anyone think Graf still has a chance?
Any candidate opposing him only needs to answer one line to each Graf statement. Can anyone guess what that would be?
June 30th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
phx kid,
Clean elections won’t be the issue in November. Correct. I suspect it was just the first shot from the Weiss campaign and they will be focusing on plenty of other issues to follow.
It could work to tie it into a larger theme of corruption.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
I don’t record events I attend. I’m sure others heard the same thing I heard. Plan and simple.
Fedup, you’re not getting it are you? Why not go back to Art’s blog and catch up on some reading.
I would expect anyones canvas to have similar numbers. The thing to note is that these people really might support Latas. He is very persuasive.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Wow.
Man am I happy I live in CD5. You all are pretty ridiculous.
Go Harry!
June 30th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Graf has a new campaign manager. The quality of the new pick will say a lot about Randy’s chances from this point.
I can’t guess the one line so please tell us.
I would be careful in CD5. The last time Grant Woods got behind a candidate the guy lost. Good luck.
June 30th, 2006 at 7:39 pm
Let me make something very clear. Patty Weiss supports the Mars program that the UofA gets Federal Grant money for. If supporting the UofA and NASA and Gabby’s astronaut boyfriend makes her looney then count me in.
Does that make Gabby looney for dating an astronaut that wants to go to Mars before the Chinese. I grew up during the glory days of the space program. Maybe we should support our space program instead of corporations like Walmart. Gabby dates an astronaut but supports Walmart.
June 30th, 2006 at 8:20 pm
GABBY IS A CLOSET REPUBLICAN!!!!
June 30th, 2006 at 8:53 pm
I concur Mister T.
Howard Dean said we were going to elect a Democratic congresswoman in CD8. Why is this something to get all upset over? There are three women in the race…in fact two out of the three serious contenders are women. So to say “we are going to elect a Democratic congresswoman…” is not the end of the world or an endorsement of someone.
Y’all might want to take a break from this fighting over CD8 and spend some time with the kids this weekend or something because this is ridiculous.
June 30th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
elephanthunter06 please tell Patty to keep talking about Mars. Such a kitchen-table issue.
“Gabby dates an astronaut but supports Walmart.” Can some one explain how those two items are in the slightest way connected?
Anonymous I don’t know Gabby so I cannot say in which closet she lives but incase you have not checked lately CD8 is a Republican district. If Gabby had crossover potential that is not such a bad thing. Remember John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Michael Dukakis? Democrats all to be sure and each one lost the general election.
June 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Yes, Mr. T, I may join you in CD5.
Our candidates don’t even need to be challenged to a debate in order to publish their written acceptance of one.
June 30th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Look at how stupid the Republicans are when they post.
Interesting how they seem to support Gabby. I for one encourage anyone to change from Republican to Democrat. If they can’t go there on that, I recommend registering as an independent.
Gabby being a Democrat is less a problem than the company she keeps, the donors she courts, and the votes that sold out Democrats and benefited corporations at the expense of the $5 contributors.
Maybe she will change for the better.
June 30th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
Who is calling whom stupid? Gabby is the front running in fund raising on the Democratic side. It will take a skilled candidate who can raise a lot of money to win in a Republican district. Go ahead and vote for Patty or whomever you want.
June 30th, 2006 at 11:24 pm
Its not that heavily republican Phx-Kid once you add in the independents. This is not the State of Maricopa we are talking about here. This is Southern Arizona - with that many independents and lousy GOP candidates - it’s not going to be as hard as you make it sound. (I’m not saying its going to be a cakewalk either) Just keep in mind - things are a little different down here in Baja-Arizona.
July 1st, 2006 at 6:45 am
Cd8dem I agree. Here are the numbers.
40% Republican
34% Democrat
26% other
This is going to be a close one. I just think Gabby looks better in the general for the Democrats.
There was an article in the star a few weekends ago about how a Democrat was walking in Cochise County and the constituents were all talking about the border issue. My guess is that a lot of the independents are as concerned about this as other voting blocks. This would play to the favor of Graf or Hellon. If either on of them is facing Patty and she is out there talking about Mars and clean elections I think it stays a Republican seat.
If Gabby is in the general talking about education, heath care, and the border she would have an excellent chance against Huffman.
I am not sure about other line ups at this time.
July 1st, 2006 at 8:30 am
Once again, you have Repuplicans working against the interests of the Democrats by supporting Gabby.
Stupid? Smart? You decide.
July 1st, 2006 at 8:39 am
Anonymous why don’t you tell us whom you think it the best Democratic candidate to win in November and why.
July 1st, 2006 at 9:29 am
It will be the Democrat that wins the primary, phxkid.
I don’t support Republicans. People that do, have been conditioned to vote against their own self interests, and tend to favor unworkable solutions.
July 1st, 2006 at 9:37 am
What an insightful strategy. You are sure to be victorious with such a keen grasp of the electorate.
I should call Mike, Steve, and Randy and tell them to just throw in the towel now.
July 1st, 2006 at 9:54 am
Yes, please make those calls. Its in your own self interest to not support them.
July 1st, 2006 at 10:12 am
None of you are even guessing on the Graf line. I am so disappointed. So much so that I won’t even answer you just yet until I get some lively discussion.
Emersome, I went out and did some meth last night. Now I can see where you got your numbers. Yes, it all makes sense now.
The point is not that Latas has some supporters. The point is you have a poll that really isn’t one. Either his campaign doesn’t know what a poll really is or they made something up to generate fundraising. No one takes it seriously. Maybe I am wrong and when the FEC reports come out we will see a huge surge from these 1600 supporters who will all kick in at least $20 each. I doubt it though.
Anyone have a tape of the infamous Willcox forum I can look at?
July 1st, 2006 at 10:33 am
Phx Kid, as an admitted “far right-leaning Republican”, I can see why you want to promote Giffords. She is pretty easy for a Republican to beat in the general.
I said before I think she will be the primary candidate and lose in the general. Most of her supporters don’t know her record and the few that do and still come here with weak arguments of support, don’t know the machine they will be up against in the general.
My picks on who is hardest to beat in the general on the Democratic side:
1) Weiss
2) Rodriguez
3) Latas - (I would have put him 2nd until recently)
4) Giffords
5) Shacter
Johnson isn’t really a Democrat so I won’t even bother including him.
Giffords will get slaughtered by the Republicans for her inconsistencies in word over action not to mention they won’t be above bringing in her personal life and have a field day there.
July 1st, 2006 at 9:36 pm
Fedup -
I can see why you would not trust the opinion of a Republican. Maybe Patty is the strongest Dem for the general. She will need to talk about something other than clean elections and space colonies.
My guess is that she will talk about how she has always been in favor of a 50-foot fence on the border. Since she has never served in public office she has the luxury of making up her positions.
I still think Patty gets a little out on the edge on some issues and that will not suite her well with the Republicans and it will not play well enough with the independents to win in November. But by all means vote for Patty if you want to.
I think the only Republican who would get into Gabby’s personal life would be Huffman. Graf and Hellon are very committed to their positions and do not need to explore someone personal life. Huffman does not want to talk about his position on the issues because is so liberal and would loose the Republican base.
Anyone who brings up a candidates personal life will loose the independents very quickly. They do not want to hear personal attacks. They want to hear about solutions to issues.
Gabby has one big advantage over the Republicans. She can speak coherently at about twice the rate of them. They will have a hard time boxing her in when she can out talk them.
July 2nd, 2006 at 11:23 am
I went back and took a look at the Latas site. It’s not a poll at all but you seem to get your panties all in a twist.
The Latas camp posted this a canvas numbers, that’s all it is. Your way out of line and your reasoning is pretty bad. Your crediblity just took a big drive in my book. Why don’t you go back to your Repug sites? Not enough conflict over there?
July 2nd, 2006 at 11:24 am
My last post was for Fedup.
July 3rd, 2006 at 11:40 pm
I think the only Republican who would get into Gabby’s personal life would be Huffman. Graf and Hellon are very committed to their positions and do not need to explore someone personal life
Tell that to Jim Kolbe. Graf didn’t seem to have a problem with making a big deal out of his sexuality in the 2004 primary campaign.
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